http://www.templeinstitute.org/1925-wakf-temple-mount...
For Jews, the
Link to 1925 Waqf Temple Mount Guide noting that the First and Second Jewish Temples were located on the
David Ben Gurion
(David Ben-Gurion was the first Prime Minister of Israel and widely hailed as the State’s main founder).
“No Jew is entitled to give up the right of establishing [i.e. settling] the Jewish Nation in all of the
BEN-GURION’S DECLARATION ON THE EXCLUSIVE AND
INALIENABLE JEWISH RIGHT TO THE WHOLE OF
THE LAND OF ISRAEL:
at the Basle Session of the 20th Zionist Congress at
“No country in the world exists today by virtue of its ‘right’.
All countries exist today by virtue of their ability to defend themselves against those who seek their destruction.”
only 5 per cent of the land of Palestine
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No....fewer spelling and grammatical errors.
Why thank you.
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08-25-2014, 10:43 AM
lou21
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lou21 wrote:
DrSkeptix wrote:
For Angry Chicken:
The Imbecile Who Is a Jelly Donut is once again perpetuating a lie, disguised as it might be in a statistic.
The Arab population were largely not land-owners in 1948, they were landless Bedouins, share-croppers, tenants, recent immigrants drawn by higher wages and the agricultural and economic activity started by Jewish settlers. What arable land owned by non-Jews was largely held by absentees in Damascus, Beirut and Cairo, or by land speculators who sold marginal land to Jews at inflated prices.
Land Ownership in 1948
The claim is often made that in 1948 a Jewish minority owning
only 5 per cent of the land of Palestine made itself master of the
Arab majority, which owned 95 per cent of the land.
In May 1948 the State of Israel was established in only part of the
area allotted by the original League of Nations Mandate. 8.6 per
cent of the land was owned by Jews and 3.3 per cent by Israeli
Arabs, while 16.9 per cent had been abandoned by Arab owners who
imprudently heeded the call from neighbouring countries to "get
out of the way" while the invading Arab armies made short shrift of
Israel. The rest of the land--over 70 per cent--had been vested in
the Mandatory Power, and accordingly reverted to the State of
Israel as its legal heir. (Government of Palestine, Survey of Palestine,
1946, British Government Printer, p. 257.) {Edit: Note that the whole of the Transjordan had been transferred to Arab protogovernment long before.}
The greater part of this 70 per cent consisted of the Negev, some
3,144,250 acres all told, or close to 50 per cent of the 6,580,000
acres in all of Mandatory Palestine. Known as Crown or State
Lands, this was mostly uninhabited arid or semi-arid territory,
inherited originally by the Mandatory Government from Turkey.
In 1948 it passed to the Government of Israel.
These lands had not been owned by Arab farmers?neither under
the British Mandate nor under the preceding regime. Thus it is
obvious that the contention that 95 per cent of the land?whether
of Mandatory Palestine or of the State of Israel?had belonged to
Arabs has absolutely no foundation in fact.
* * ?
There is perhaps no better way of concluding and summing up
this study than to quote from an article entitled Is Israel a Thorn
or a Flower in the Near East? by Abdul Razak Kader, the Algerian
political writer, now living in exile in Paris (Jerusalem Post, Aug. 1,
1969):
"The Nationalists of the states neighbouring on Israel, whether
they are in the government or in business, whether Palestinian,
Syrian or Lebanese, or town dwellers of tribal origin, all know that
at the beginning of the century and during the British Mandate
the marshy plains and stone hills were sold to the Zionists by their
fathers or uncles for gold, the very gold which is often the origin
of their own political or commercial careers. The nomadic or seminomadic
peasants who inhabited the frontier regions know full well
what the green plains, the afforested hills and the flowering fields
of today's Israel were like before.
"The Palestinians who are today refugees in the neighbouring
countries and who were adults at the time of their flight know all
this, and no anti-Zionist propaganda?pan-Arab or pan-Moslem?
can make them forget that their present nationalist exploiters are
the worthy sons of their feudal exploiters of yesterday and that the
thorns of their life are of Arab, not Jewish, origin."
I'd be interested to read this article. What is the full reference?
Still no reference? Does the article even exist?
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08-25-2014, 02:01 PM
cwill1973
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lou21 wrote:
lou21 wrote:
DrSkeptix wrote:
For Angry Chicken:
The Imbecile Who Is a Jelly Donut is once again perpetuating a lie, disguised as it might be in a statistic.
The Arab population were largely not land-owners in 1948, they were landless Bedouins, share-croppers, tenants, recent immigrants drawn by higher wages and the agricultural and economic activity started by Jewish settlers. What arable land owned by non-Jews was largely held by absentees in Damascus, Beirut and Cairo, or by land speculators who sold marginal land to Jews at inflated prices.
Land Ownership in 1948
The claim is often made that in 1948 a Jewish minority owning
only 5 per cent of the land of Palestine made itself master of the
Arab majority, which owned 95 per cent of the land.
In May 1948 the State of Israel was established in only part of the
area allotted by the original League of Nations Mandate. 8.6 per
cent of the land was owned by Jews and 3.3 per cent by Israeli
Arabs, while 16.9 per cent had been abandoned by Arab owners who
imprudently heeded the call from neighbouring countries to "get
out of the way" while the invading Arab armies made short shrift of
Israel. The rest of the land--over 70 per cent--had been vested in
the Mandatory Power, and accordingly reverted to the State of
Israel as its legal heir. (Government of Palestine, Survey of Palestine,
1946, British Government Printer, p. 257.) {Edit: Note that the whole of the Transjordan had been transferred to Arab protogovernment long before.}
The greater part of this 70 per cent consisted of the Negev, some
3,144,250 acres all told, or close to 50 per cent of the 6,580,000
acres in all of Mandatory Palestine. Known as Crown or State
Lands, this was mostly uninhabited arid or semi-arid territory,
inherited originally by the Mandatory Government from Turkey.
In 1948 it passed to the Government of Israel.
These lands had not been owned by Arab farmers?neither under
the British Mandate nor under the preceding regime. Thus it is
obvious that the contention that 95 per cent of the land?whether
of Mandatory Palestine or of the State of Israel?had belonged to
Arabs has absolutely no foundation in fact.
* * ?
There is perhaps no better way of concluding and summing up
this study than to quote from an article entitled Is Israel a Thorn
or a Flower in the Near East? by Abdul Razak Kader, the Algerian
political writer, now living in exile in Paris (Jerusalem Post, Aug. 1,
1969):
"The Nationalists of the states neighbouring on Israel, whether
they are in the government or in business, whether Palestinian,
Syrian or Lebanese, or town dwellers of tribal origin, all know that
at the beginning of the century and during the British Mandate
the marshy plains and stone hills were sold to the Zionists by their
fathers or uncles for gold, the very gold which is often the origin
of their own political or commercial careers. The nomadic or seminomadic
peasants who inhabited the frontier regions know full well
what the green plains, the afforested hills and the flowering fields
of today's Israel were like before.
"The Palestinians who are today refugees in the neighbouring
countries and who were adults at the time of their flight know all
this, and no anti-Zionist propaganda?pan-Arab or pan-Moslem?
can make them forget that their present nationalist exploiters are
the worthy sons of their feudal exploiters of yesterday and that the
thorns of their life are of Arab, not Jewish, origin."
I'd be interested to read this article. What is the full reference?
Still no reference? Does the article even exist?
Try a Google search clown boy. I found it on the first try.
There never has been, there is not now and there never will be a country called “Palestine.”
The Arab/Palestinians/Muslims squatting on Jewish land in and around Israel are overwhelmingly either descendants of invaders, illegal immigrants or trespassers.
The term “Palestinian” was popularized after the Six Day War in ’67 in an attempt to delegitimize Israel.
There are already 21 Arab/Muslim dominated countries spread out over a few millions square miles of territory, including most of Jordan which was part of the Jewish allocated land under the League of Nations in 1922. It also stated that the Jewish people are to set up their own government and none other. The Arabs also ejected close to a million Jewish people from their countries and confiscated their homes and assets, about a third of the Jewish people died while leaving the Arab countries.
The Arab/Moslems are not interested in creating a 22nd Arab controlled country.
Their only desire is to annihilate the one and only Jewish state.
“And We said thereafter to the Children of Israel “Dwell securely in the land (of … (Holy Quran 17:104).
(Surah Al-Ma’ida, verse 21), and the other (Surah Al-Shara’a, verse 59) says that the land was bequeathed to the Jews.
Under International Law and Treaties – An Arab/Palestinian State cannot be established in Israel on Jewish land allocated to the Jewish people under the San Remo agreement of 1922 and ratified by the League of Nations and signed by 51 member states.
The British violated the agreement and gave it to the Arabs.
YJ Draiman
In a Jewish wedding, they break a glass in memory of
YJ Draiman.
The Jewish forced exodus from Arab lands refers to the 20th century expulsion or mass departure of Jews, primarily of Sephardi and Mizrahi background, from Arab and Islamic countries. The migration started in the late 19th century, but accelerated after the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. According to official Arab statistics, over 989,000 Jews were forced out of their homes in Arab countries from 1948 until the early 1970’s. Some 670,000 resettled in Greater Israel, forced to leave behind personal property, businesses, homes and Jewish-owned real-estate 120,440 square kilometers (five to six times the size of the State of Israel). Valued today in the trillions of dollars.
Not abused? I feel like swearing here. you can bet your rear end they were abused.
“If you can’t get rid of the skeleton in your closet, you’d best teach it to dance.” – George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)
During all of this time Jews kept migrating back to their historic homeland which comprised of two kingdoms: the Kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of Judah. They were driven out of the Kingdom of Israel by the Assyrians in 720, B.C.E. The Babylonians in 586, B.C.E., drove the Jews out of the Kingdom of Judah, including Jerusalem. Then followed the Persians in 536, and the Hellenistic Syrian Seleucid Rulers in 332 BCE. Jews – The Maccabees re-conquered Israel in 166 BCE.
Romans conquered Israel in 63 C.E., and in 70 A.D. destroyed the Jewish second Temple.
Which was followed by these conquests:
Byzantines in 313; Persian in 614; Arabs Muslims 636 CE; Crusaders 1099; and the Mamluks in 1291.
Then came the Ottoman Empire in 1517. In 1564 the Ottoman Empire encouraged and stimulated Jewish immigration which added over 10,000 new Jewish returnees to Palestine-Israel (The Ottoman land records for Palestine showed that the government owned over 92% of the land) and the British Rule 1918-1948.
During the time of the Roman rule of Israel, the Jews in the kingdom called Judea revolted against the Roman rule. The Romans crushed the rebellion, exiled many Jews out of the country, seized many others and turned them into slaves deporting them to Rome and other places. Not only that, they changed the name of the land from Provincia Judea to Palestine to humiliate the Jews.
For 600 years or so, Arab Muslims imperialism spread throughout the Middle East from Arabia. Among other conquests, the Arabs conquered Judea-Palestine, killing many of the local Jewish population, and converting many into Islam. The story of how the Arabs got to Palestine is the story of conquest, imperialism and occupation.
During the 19th and 20th century, when Arabs had little to no interest in the land of Israel, Jews bought massive amounts of land and resettled there. After WWI the Allied Powers, the international community and the League of Nations under the San Remo Treaty of 1920 which was confirmed by the 1920 Treaty of Sevres and Lausanne, assigned the British “The Mandate for Palestine” as trustee over the land so that a Jewish state would be created in that land. The British had their own agenda in mind and violated the trust.
The original Mandate territory included what is today Israel; Gaza, Parts of Sinai, West Bank aka Judea and Samaria, Jordan and the Golan Heights. The British had their own agenda violated the trust and international treaties and divided the allocated Jewish country up. They gave to the Arabs the allocated land which had been Mandated to the Jewish people in violation of the San Remo Treaty of 1920: everything East of the Jordan river. This land which was intentionally given to the Arabs constituted 80% of the land allocated to the Jewish people. The British gave the land to the Hashemite Kingdom for the Arab population in order to create a new State: Trans-Jordan. The British also traded the Golan Heights to the French who ruled Syria for oil in Iraq. Thus, after already separating the country into one Arab state Trans-Jordan, which is present day Jordan, they intended to break up the remaining Jewish land West of the Jordan River, present day Israel and wrongfully give it to the Arabs.
The true and detailed facts and history is much more voluminous and complex. The problem Israel faces is that it is not as quick to explain the 3500+ years of Jewish history in Israel to counter the Arab lies and propaganda. Lies are easier to spread. However, upon close examination of the historical facts, the lies are exposed as baseless propaganda and should be dismissed as such.
It should be noted only a small segment of history is being presented here. I did not enumerate anything about how Arabs used terror and violence since the beginning of the conflict and going back to the 1600 in Sefad. I did not mention that before Arab nationalism and Muslim radicalism took over, the small Arab community was glad that the Jews were coming back to their ancestral homeland, providing an economic boost and jobs to the region, (even king Faisal was delighted.) I did not enumerate or discuss in detail the Arab-Palestinian refugees without telling how and why they became refugees.
I might also mention that the Arab countries expelled over a million Jewish families and their children, confiscated their personal assets, businesses, homes and Real estate property (120,440 sq. km. which is five to six times the size of Israel and valued in the trillions of dollars). About 670,000 of those Jewish families refugees from Arab countries were resettled in Greater Israel.
It is time for the Arab countries who persecuted and expelled the million Jewish families and their children to resettle the Arab-Palestinian refugees in their own countries, and or Jordan, and put an end to this conflict and ending the misery and displacement of the Arab-Palestinians. This will bring about peace and coexistence which the people so rightfully desire and deserve. It will bring economic prosperity and an increase in the standard of living for all the people.
YJ Draiman
Israel’s rights to the land is ingrained in history, archeological findings, international law and possession. Just like the Arab States have not been required to defend their legitimacy, Israel should also not be required to defend its’ legitimacy. The 21 Arab States and the State of Israel were set up by the Allied Powers after WWI, when the Ottoman Empire relinquished its title to the territories to the Allied Powers. The British were assigned as trustee for the Jewish people to help reconstitute the Jewish State as Implemented by the San Remo Treaty of 1920 which was confirmed by the 1920 Treaty of Sevres and Lausanne. The San Remo Treaty adopted the Balfour Declaration of 1917. Of importance is the fact that the treaty terms and documents prove there was no state allocation of land to any other people or nation other than the Jewish people in Palestine-Israel. It should also be noted that the League of Nations set up the Mandate for Palestine as a State for the Jewish people with exclusive political rights.
The Jewish people who lived in Israel for over 3,500 had additional Jewish immigration in the mid 1800. The local Jewish people with the infusion of more Jewish immigration, resources, funding and with the explicit permission by the Ottoman government, started developing the land. Within a short time the Jewish people started turning the desert and desolation into green pastures, eliminating swamps and fighting disease, thus, building an economy, agriculture, housing and industry. Many Arabs from neighboring depressed states who viewed this development as an opportunity for work and an improved standard of living, came to work in Palestine.
It is of great interest in this conflict to take into consideration. The Arab countries expelled over a million Jewish families and their children, confiscated their personal assets, businesses, homes and land 5-6 times the size of Israel 120,440 sq. km or 75,000 sq. mi.. Most of these expelled Jewish families from Arab countries were resettled in Greater Israel.
Over the past 68 years Israel has become a thriving nation with exemplary innovation in education, technology, high tech industry and medicine. Many nations admire Israel’s outstanding development and innovation. Israel has always been extending a helping hand to any nation that wants to learn and advance in industry, technology and medicine.
The Arab-Palestinians saw an opportunity to get land and a country that was developed and flourished by the Jewish people. They decided that through intimidation, harassment, terror and violence to usurp the Jewish habitants into capitulating to their scheme of an Arab-Palestinian State on Land allocated to the Jewish people . The Arab-Palestinians live on charity from the nations of the world. They are unwilling to help themselves. After the 1967 war when Israel defeated the 5 Arab armies who tried to destroy it, Israel started employing many of the Arabs in the liberated Jewish territory, educating them in agriculture and water resources. In the following years the standard of living of the Arabs jumped 5 fold and more, and their economy and housing blossomed. When the terrorist organization entered the picture and instigated the Arab population to start terror and violence against the Israelis, the economic advancement was slowed down if not halted or reversed. The dire predicament of the Arab-Palestinians is of their own making, following the dictatorial and corrupt leaders.
If you look at Arab land it is desolate and barren, with few exceptions. At the same time, the Jewish land is blooming and developing at an accelerated tempo. The Arabs, rather than follow the example set by Israel, tried to take the Jewish land by force and lost 4 wars in a span of 25 years.
The Arab-Palestinians current actions in the political and legal arena is a result of losing 4 wars and various battles with Israel. They not only could not win ground, but in fact have caused themselves a downward spiral toward economic desolation.
Money, power and greed promoted hate and anti-Semitism by the Arabs in order to force Israel into surrendering territory to the Arab-Palestinians. The Arabs are trying to initiate land piracy camouflaged as legal rights to the land of Israel.
Jewish resistance to persecution by the Arabs and the world at large: Any level headed individual would think that after WWII and the over 6 million Jews exterminated in the Holocaust (plus another 5 million of other ethnic groups) would diminish, if not eliminate anti-Semitism and baseless hatred. It seems that no matter the amount of unwarranted persecution, and no matter the sacrifices the Jewish people have endured through the ages, Anti-Semitism continues to raise its ugly head.
The Media is guilty of escalating hostilities and violence in Israel and elsewhere. The Media has a responsibility to deliver fair and unbiased reporting. They influence the information that people rely on. It is an awesome responsibility and it must be handled with factual un-slanted reporting. People's lives depend on it; maybe yours or someone you love. Do we need a legal task force to discipline the Media when they intentionally distort the truth and or stage events for Media sensationalism? I would like your comments and input.
The affects on the world at large: Has humanity lost its values and fairness? The answer is no. In order to lose something, one must first possess it and the truth is, the world has never had total control of values and fairness. In today’s world, where money and power is pursued at all costs (see Machiavelli), the core family unit is disintegrating and family values deteriorating. Honesty, integrity and fair-play seem to be a thing of the past. Where are we as human beings of the 21st century heading? Obviously downward.
Ben Gurion
Abba Eban
Many nations and people are questioning Israel’s control of its liberated territory.
No one is mentioning that the Arab countries had ejected about a million Jewish people and their children from their countries, confiscated their assets, businesses, homes and Real estate. Many of the Jews ejected from Arab countries died while their forced departure from Arab countries, due to hardship, famine and starvation. 670,00 Jewish families and their children of these expelled Jewish people and their children were resettled in Greater Israel. The Land the Arab countries confiscated from the Jewish people 120,440 sq. km. or 75,000 sq. miles, which is over 5-6 times the size of Israel, and its value today is the trillions of dollars.
The Jewish people and their children during the over 2,400 years living in Arab countries have suffered Pogroms, Libel claims, beheadings, beatings, false imprisonment and extreme hardship as a second class citizens. They had their businesses and homes pillaged, their wives and daughters raped, sold them as slaves, their houses of worship pillaged and burned, forced conversion to Islam.
Now the Arab nations are demanding more land and more compensation.
The Arab countries have chased the million Jews and their children and now the want to chase them away again, from their own historical land.
The Jewish people have suffered enough in the Diaspora for the past 2,500 years. It is time for the Jewish people to live as free people in their own land without violence and terror.
It is time to consider that the only alternative is a population transfer of the Arab-Palestinians to the territories the Arab countries confiscated from the Jewish people and settle this dispute once and for all. Many Arab leaders had suggested these solutions over the years.
YJ Draiman
The Law of Return is for The Jews, the option to return to Greater Israel and The Arab-Palestinians to leave Greater Israel and return to the Arab countries they originated from. The Arab-Palestinians should move to the Million plus Jewish homes confiscated by the Arab countries from the expelled Jewish people and the 120,440 sq. km. of Real property the Arabs confiscated from the million plus Jewish families and their children expelled from Arab countries. That is the only viable alternative.
Face it and stop hallucinating, once and for all. There will never be an Arab-Palestinian State in Greater Israel West of the Jordan River (Judea and Samaria). Jerusalem the United Eternal Capital of the Jewish people.
Responding to arguments that million Jews expelled from Arab countries has no bearing on the Arabs who left Palestine or Arabs displaced from Jewish land and or formerly Ottoman government land has nothing to do with each other. The law of equity in not a one way street, it works both ways. The Arab nations that expelled the million Jewish families (who lived in the Arab countries for over 2500 years and owned 120,440 sq. km. of land, homes, businesses and personal assets valued in the trillions of dollars) are the ones supporting the Arab-Palestinians in demanding law of return and compensation. Those Arab countries are financing the Arab-Palestinians in their quest to eject the Jews a second time from their own ancestral homeland. The best and only solution is a population transfer.
YJ Draiman
There was never an Arab-Palestinian State in Greater Israel and there will never be – face it.
The Ottoman land records of Palestine confirm that the local Arabs did not own land, they were sharecroppers. Over 90% of the land was owned by the government the balance was owned by absentee wealthy Arabs from Lebanon and some wealthy Arab families and the Mufti of Jerusalem, who sold it to the Jews at premium prices.
It is time to implement population transfer for all the Arabs who are unhappy under Israel’s government.
Those Arabs who create terror, violence, riot and attack Jews and anyone else. They could be relocated to the homes and the 120,440 sq. km. of land of the million Jewish families and their children, who were persecuted and expelled from Arab countries or Jordan.
YJ Draiman.
The advances made in medicine, science, technology, law, philosophy and every corner of higher learning and progressive humanity as a direct result of Jewish contributions are etched in history and cannot be denied.
Worldwide advances and progress will always be a reminder of what the Jews did and accomplished, unlike any other group in history. Non-Jews always have and continue to wonder how we did all that advancement.
If you follow these ideals, narratives and behavior, you may finally see some success like many of the JEWS and forego your jealousy and intolerance!
This will bring about a harmonious and thriving coexistence that will benefit society and humanity for generations to come.
Exclusive WW2 Britain Blew Up Jewish Refugee Ships
A new book uncovers shocking secret attacks launched on ships bearing Holocaust survivors en route to Israel. Andrew Roberts on the violent lengths to which post-war Britain went to appease oil-rich Arab states. (Page 1 of 2)As Jewish survivors of the Holocaust, the pitiful remnants of History’s greatest crime, tried to make their way across an often hostile Europe at the end of the Second World War, toward at least a semblance of safety in the Holy Land, they had no shortage of problems with which to contend, including disease and malnutrition, Polish anti-Semitism, Soviet indifference, Allied bureaucracy, and Arab nationalism.
Now we discover that they faced yet another peril in the shape of bombs planted on their transport ships by Britain’s Secret Intelligence Service, better known as MI6. I do not agree with your article.
The British also in violation of the Mandate for Palestine restricted Jewish immigration into Israel-Palestine from 1939 to 1948. This caused the deaths of millions of Jews in German concentration camps and the British have to bear that responsibility.
People, especially Jewish people who do not live in Israel, have no right to criticize or dictate to Israel how it should conduct their country. Only those Jews and Israelis who live in Israel have that right.
The Israelis bear a continually hostile neighbors and a hostile world. The Israelis fight for the survival of Israel on a daily basis.
The continued terrorism and bombing, missiles on a daily basis. United States has 911 bombing of the Twin Towers in New York City. The reaction was American troops in Iraq & Afghanistan at a cost of thousands of American lives and trillions of dollars in costs to the American taxpayer. Imagine having a 911 every year in the United States at different parts of the country. Think of a hostile nation threatening to wipe the United States of the map. How do you think the people of the United States and its government would react? Just remember when in 1962 the Russians put missiles in Cuba, America almost went to nuclear war with Russia.
It is easy for you to criticize, you and your family are not sitting in a country that is bombed, terrorized and threatened of annihilation.
Please I implore you, stay out of Israel’s path; it is their decision and not yours.” The Koran states Israel belongs to the Jews” Quran/Koran: Sura 5:21 – G-od orders the Jews into Israel[5:20] Recall that Moses said to his people (the Jews), “O my people, remember G-OD’s blessings upon you: He appointed prophets from among you, made you kings, and granted you what He never granted any other people.[5:21] “O my people, enter the holy land (Israel) that G-OD has decreed for you, and do not rebel, lest you become losers. ”Sura 10:93-94“ We settled the Children of Israel in a beautiful dwelling-place…If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book from before thee” – In case you had any doubts about whether the Koran talks about the Jews’ right to live in the land of Israel.
I think every Jew worldwide should be thankful for Israel’s existence and safely.